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> <channel><title>Comments on: Will Windows Home Server be Microsoft&#8217;s next flop?</title> <atom:link href="http://www.mswhs.com/2007/09/will-windows-home-server-be-microsofts-next-flop/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" /><link>http://www.mswhs.com/2007/09/will-windows-home-server-be-microsofts-next-flop/</link> <description></description> <lastBuildDate>Tue, 22 May 2012 02:23:14 +0000</lastBuildDate> <sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod> <sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency> <item><title>By: Philip Churchill</title><link>http://www.mswhs.com/2007/09/will-windows-home-server-be-microsofts-next-flop/comment-page-1/#comment-7331</link> <dc:creator>Philip Churchill</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 27 Nov 2007 09:34:55 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://mswhs.com/2007/09/25/will-windows-home-server-be-microsofts-next-flop/#comment-7331</guid> <description>Hi bl4ckm00n,I think that due to the size of the 3 CDs/DVDs is why Microsoft has not got it available for download. Don&#039;t forget that it can be ordered from Microsoft for a nominal fee.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi bl4ckm00n,</p><p>I think that due to the size of the 3 CDs/DVDs is why Microsoft has not got it available for download. Don&#8217;t forget that it can be ordered from Microsoft for a nominal fee.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: bl4ckm00n</title><link>http://www.mswhs.com/2007/09/will-windows-home-server-be-microsofts-next-flop/comment-page-1/#comment-7330</link> <dc:creator>bl4ckm00n</dc:creator> <pubDate>Mon, 26 Nov 2007 22:36:47 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://mswhs.com/2007/09/25/will-windows-home-server-be-microsofts-next-flop/#comment-7330</guid> <description>is there any way to get the 120 day trial by downloading? I haven&#039;t found anything at microsoft&#039;s Site.Greetz from http://www.techdummie.de</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>is there any way to get the 120 day trial by downloading? I haven&#8217;t found anything at microsoft&#8217;s Site.</p><p>Greetz from <a
href="http://www.techdummie.de" rel="nofollow">http://www.techdummie.de</a></p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Philip Churchill</title><link>http://www.mswhs.com/2007/09/will-windows-home-server-be-microsofts-next-flop/comment-page-1/#comment-7329</link> <dc:creator>Philip Churchill</dc:creator> <pubDate>Sat, 29 Sep 2007 12:35:18 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://mswhs.com/2007/09/25/will-windows-home-server-be-microsofts-next-flop/#comment-7329</guid> <description>Hi Ram,Sorry I don&#039;t understand what you mean by  &quot;home area&quot;? We shall be able to order disk kits of the 120 day Evaluation Editions from the Microsoft home server web site.  These Evaluation editions shall be available in English, French, Spanish and German.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ram,</p><p>Sorry I don&#8217;t understand what you mean by  &#8220;home area&#8221;? We shall be able to order disk kits of the 120 day Evaluation Editions from the Microsoft home server web site.  These Evaluation editions shall be available in English, French, Spanish and German.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ram</title><link>http://www.mswhs.com/2007/09/will-windows-home-server-be-microsofts-next-flop/comment-page-1/#comment-7328</link> <dc:creator>Ram</dc:creator> <pubDate>Fri, 28 Sep 2007 11:58:56 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://mswhs.com/2007/09/25/will-windows-home-server-be-microsofts-next-flop/#comment-7328</guid> <description>Thanks for the answer, but do the users have their own home areas? It&#039;s just impossible to get detailed information on this new server software. Is theire a trial version available?</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the answer, but do the users have their own home areas? It&#8217;s just impossible to get detailed information on this new server software. Is theire a trial version available?</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Philip Churchill</title><link>http://www.mswhs.com/2007/09/will-windows-home-server-be-microsofts-next-flop/comment-page-1/#comment-7327</link> <dc:creator>Philip Churchill</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 13:29:14 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://mswhs.com/2007/09/25/will-windows-home-server-be-microsofts-next-flop/#comment-7327</guid> <description>Hi Ram,WHS does not support Active Directory (AD) but I would think that Home Server would be a good choice for your storage and backup of your files and pics.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ram,</p><p>WHS does not support Active Directory (AD) but I would think that Home Server would be a good choice for your storage and backup of your files and pics.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Ram</title><link>http://www.mswhs.com/2007/09/will-windows-home-server-be-microsofts-next-flop/comment-page-1/#comment-7326</link> <dc:creator>Ram</dc:creator> <pubDate>Thu, 27 Sep 2007 12:19:00 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://mswhs.com/2007/09/25/will-windows-home-server-be-microsofts-next-flop/#comment-7326</guid> <description>What about using WHS in a small golfclub with only five users. I havent even tried this server, and i dont think we need a Server with AD and all. We store files and and pictures on a Win 200 server with AD. Is it possible to have a home area???Ram</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What about using WHS in a small golfclub with only five users. I havent even tried this server, and i dont think we need a Server with AD and all. We store files and and pictures on a Win 200 server with AD. Is it possible to have a home area???</p><p>Ram</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Philip Churchill</title><link>http://www.mswhs.com/2007/09/will-windows-home-server-be-microsofts-next-flop/comment-page-1/#comment-7325</link> <dc:creator>Philip Churchill</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 18:42:03 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://mswhs.com/2007/09/25/will-windows-home-server-be-microsofts-next-flop/#comment-7325</guid> <description>Hi Andy,I think this September update should have been beta tested more, either internally or externally and then a lot of these problems would not have materialized.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Andy,</p><p>I think this September update should have been beta tested more, either internally or externally and then a lot of these problems would not have materialized.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Andy</title><link>http://www.mswhs.com/2007/09/will-windows-home-server-be-microsofts-next-flop/comment-page-1/#comment-7324</link> <dc:creator>Andy</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 16:48:04 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://mswhs.com/2007/09/25/will-windows-home-server-be-microsofts-next-flop/#comment-7324</guid> <description>He&#039;s obviously never used, seen or even thought about the product before writing the &quot;review&quot;.  There are a lot of misconceptions in the article, however I do agree with him on the patching side of things - the latest patches that have come out seem to be causing a bit of an issue with reinstalls on the client side? That is not good - even for a home user.The server should be updating itself automagically at night, so most users won&#039;t even notice it until the clients start to complain that they need to be updated.What is interesting is that the press release is obviously not showing the selling points of whs, namely remote access to files and pictures, remote access to the desktop with (potentially) no firewall changes needed, Automatic backups to the server with easy restoration including the ability to restore a backed up server with a boot cd and with some of the new addons auto publishing of pictures to flickr etc.I&#039;ve yet to find a unix server that does all of these features (especially one that can be installed, setup and run without a mouse and keyboard and without a degree in unix stuff)Having said all that, I won&#039;t be buying a copy until the trial version comes out so that I can see if it works better than the buggy beta version does and the price drops although</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He&#8217;s obviously never used, seen or even thought about the product before writing the &#8220;review&#8221;.  There are a lot of misconceptions in the article, however I do agree with him on the patching side of things &#8211; the latest patches that have come out seem to be causing a bit of an issue with reinstalls on the client side? That is not good &#8211; even for a home user.</p><p>The server should be updating itself automagically at night, so most users won&#8217;t even notice it until the clients start to complain that they need to be updated.</p><p>What is interesting is that the press release is obviously not showing the selling points of whs, namely remote access to files and pictures, remote access to the desktop with (potentially) no firewall changes needed, Automatic backups to the server with easy restoration including the ability to restore a backed up server with a boot cd and with some of the new addons auto publishing of pictures to flickr etc.</p><p>I&#8217;ve yet to find a unix server that does all of these features (especially one that can be installed, setup and run without a mouse and keyboard and without a degree in unix stuff)</p><p>Having said all that, I won&#8217;t be buying a copy until the trial version comes out so that I can see if it works better than the buggy beta version does and the price drops although</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Philip Churchill</title><link>http://www.mswhs.com/2007/09/will-windows-home-server-be-microsofts-next-flop/comment-page-1/#comment-7323</link> <dc:creator>Philip Churchill</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:45:08 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://mswhs.com/2007/09/25/will-windows-home-server-be-microsofts-next-flop/#comment-7323</guid> <description>Hi Richard,I agree that most residential customers are unlikely to buy another computer that sits somewhere and does “nothing” but hopefully with the size of these units coming out (e.g. Tranquil PC) consumers will just put them on their desks out of the way and class them like a &quot;big&quot; router.Marketing and Microsoft are 2 words which don&#039;t work well together i&#039;m afraid.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Richard,</p><p>I agree that most residential customers are unlikely to buy another computer that sits somewhere and does “nothing” but hopefully with the size of these units coming out (e.g. Tranquil PC) consumers will just put them on their desks out of the way and class them like a &#8220;big&#8221; router.</p><p>Marketing and Microsoft are 2 words which don&#8217;t work well together i&#8217;m afraid.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Philip Churchill</title><link>http://www.mswhs.com/2007/09/will-windows-home-server-be-microsofts-next-flop/comment-page-1/#comment-7322</link> <dc:creator>Philip Churchill</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:40:15 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://mswhs.com/2007/09/25/will-windows-home-server-be-microsofts-next-flop/#comment-7322</guid> <description>Hi ProBizTeam ,I think some of the points you make are still a few years away yet for the consumer market.For home control there is already a beta add-in and remote video monitoring will also be avilable as an add-in soon as well.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi ProBizTeam ,</p><p>I think some of the points you make are still a few years away yet for the consumer market.</p><p>For home control there is already a beta add-in and remote video monitoring will also be avilable as an add-in soon as well.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Philip Churchill</title><link>http://www.mswhs.com/2007/09/will-windows-home-server-be-microsofts-next-flop/comment-page-1/#comment-7321</link> <dc:creator>Philip Churchill</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:35:57 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://mswhs.com/2007/09/25/will-windows-home-server-be-microsofts-next-flop/#comment-7321</guid> <description>Hi Aaron,I agree the OEM software is overpriced. When hardware providers like HP have their&quot;home servers&quot; available the priceing will look a lot better as large OEM&#039;s get special pricing from Microsoft and hopefully that saving will be passed on to the end user. The server in the name can be scary for some people prehaps something like Windows Home Complete would have been better name choice.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Aaron,</p><p>I agree the OEM software is overpriced. When hardware providers like HP have their&#8221;home servers&#8221; available the priceing will look a lot better as large OEM&#8217;s get special pricing from Microsoft and hopefully that saving will be passed on to the end user. The server in the name can be scary for some people prehaps something like Windows Home Complete would have been better name choice.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Philip Churchill</title><link>http://www.mswhs.com/2007/09/will-windows-home-server-be-microsofts-next-flop/comment-page-1/#comment-7320</link> <dc:creator>Philip Churchill</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 14:30:35 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://mswhs.com/2007/09/25/will-windows-home-server-be-microsofts-next-flop/#comment-7320</guid> <description>Hi Jim,I agree that his assumption of WHS seems to be based on the press release of the update.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jim,</p><p>I agree that his assumption of WHS seems to be based on the press release of the update.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Richard</title><link>http://www.mswhs.com/2007/09/will-windows-home-server-be-microsofts-next-flop/comment-page-1/#comment-7319</link> <dc:creator>Richard</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:19:50 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://mswhs.com/2007/09/25/will-windows-home-server-be-microsofts-next-flop/#comment-7319</guid> <description>I was a beta tester for WHS. I truly like the product. However, David&#039;s analysis is insightful and may well be on point.Microsoft is often awful at marketing, particularly in the consumer market, and even though WHS does lots of useful stuff it is not the only game for backup. In my experience, most residential customers are unlikely to buy another computer that sits somewhere and does &quot;nothing&quot; when they have other uses for their money. I am in the business and think it will be hard to sell this to my clients.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was a beta tester for WHS. I truly like the product. However, David&#8217;s analysis is insightful and may well be on point.</p><p>Microsoft is often awful at marketing, particularly in the consumer market, and even though WHS does lots of useful stuff it is not the only game for backup. In my experience, most residential customers are unlikely to buy another computer that sits somewhere and does &#8220;nothing&#8221; when they have other uses for their money. I am in the business and think it will be hard to sell this to my clients.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: ProBizTeam</title><link>http://www.mswhs.com/2007/09/will-windows-home-server-be-microsofts-next-flop/comment-page-1/#comment-7318</link> <dc:creator>ProBizTeam</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 04:59:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://mswhs.com/2007/09/25/will-windows-home-server-be-microsofts-next-flop/#comment-7318</guid> <description>Having a &quot;Home Server&quot; that provides seamless, intelligent backup of important data could be a good thing for some people, but why not simply store the data on a redundant device to begin with?Rather than pushing the same old and tired client-server model into homes, let&#039;s see some really inovative thin client solutions, that offer users the opportunity to personalize their system use, by attaching a memory stick to any &quot;terminal,&quot; be it a touch screen in the kitchen a full-blown thin client workstation in a bedroom or office or an Internet Kiosk in an airport!Having another one or more disks spinning with redundant data does nothing to prevent its loss in case of natural dissaster.  On the other hand, I can be pretty sure that the pictures I have stored in Flickr or the documents I have stored in Google Apps can be accessed from anywhere and are safe from any natural dissaster that I and my family are likely to survive.I would definately line up to buy a system that offered integrated security that included remote video monitoring, home control and thin-client applications.  I doubt I will give WHS more than a cursory inspection.If Microsoft wants to TRULY revolutionize the home environment, they should lobby the FCC to require Cable TV and Satellite providers to provide open Tuner APIs and security specs, so hardware vendors could provide TRULY integrated Media Center PCs that did NOT require a seperate Cable Company supplied tuner!</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having a &#8220;Home Server&#8221; that provides seamless, intelligent backup of important data could be a good thing for some people, but why not simply store the data on a redundant device to begin with?</p><p>Rather than pushing the same old and tired client-server model into homes, let&#8217;s see some really inovative thin client solutions, that offer users the opportunity to personalize their system use, by attaching a memory stick to any &#8220;terminal,&#8221; be it a touch screen in the kitchen a full-blown thin client workstation in a bedroom or office or an Internet Kiosk in an airport!</p><p>Having another one or more disks spinning with redundant data does nothing to prevent its loss in case of natural dissaster.  On the other hand, I can be pretty sure that the pictures I have stored in Flickr or the documents I have stored in Google Apps can be accessed from anywhere and are safe from any natural dissaster that I and my family are likely to survive.</p><p>I would definately line up to buy a system that offered integrated security that included remote video monitoring, home control and thin-client applications.  I doubt I will give WHS more than a cursory inspection.</p><p>If Microsoft wants to TRULY revolutionize the home environment, they should lobby the FCC to require Cable TV and Satellite providers to provide open Tuner APIs and security specs, so hardware vendors could provide TRULY integrated Media Center PCs that did NOT require a seperate Cable Company supplied tuner!</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Aaron</title><link>http://www.mswhs.com/2007/09/will-windows-home-server-be-microsofts-next-flop/comment-page-1/#comment-7317</link> <dc:creator>Aaron</dc:creator> <pubDate>Wed, 26 Sep 2007 02:47:20 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://mswhs.com/2007/09/25/will-windows-home-server-be-microsofts-next-flop/#comment-7317</guid> <description>Although I think the article is a lot of hot air and I don&#039;t agree with most of it, I do think he has some valid points.  The marketing for this thing sucks.  To start:  why did they actually give it the name &quot;server&quot;?  The average home user is scared to death of that term!  Microsoft gives it the simplest interface in the world, and then scares everyone away by labeling it &quot;server&quot;.But then consider that it&#039;s going to be sold with $500+ machines, which is pretty much the same price as a Vista machine.  In fact, the OEM price for WHS is the same as the OEM price for Vista Ultimate.  It&#039;s over-priced for what it provides.  Don&#039;t get me wrong, I&#039;m building one and I&#039;m pretty excited about it, but I don&#039;t consider myself the average user.  Do you expect the average home user to shell out $600 for a pared down OS that makes backups?  I think they&#039;ve done a pretty bad job preparing this product for the market and that&#039;s unfortunate because it does a lot more than most people think.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Although I think the article is a lot of hot air and I don&#8217;t agree with most of it, I do think he has some valid points.  The marketing for this thing sucks.  To start:  why did they actually give it the name &#8220;server&#8221;?  The average home user is scared to death of that term!  Microsoft gives it the simplest interface in the world, and then scares everyone away by labeling it &#8220;server&#8221;.</p><p>But then consider that it&#8217;s going to be sold with $500+ machines, which is pretty much the same price as a Vista machine.  In fact, the OEM price for WHS is the same as the OEM price for Vista Ultimate.  It&#8217;s over-priced for what it provides.  Don&#8217;t get me wrong, I&#8217;m building one and I&#8217;m pretty excited about it, but I don&#8217;t consider myself the average user.  Do you expect the average home user to shell out $600 for a pared down OS that makes backups?  I think they&#8217;ve done a pretty bad job preparing this product for the market and that&#8217;s unfortunate because it does a lot more than most people think.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> <item><title>By: Jim</title><link>http://www.mswhs.com/2007/09/will-windows-home-server-be-microsofts-next-flop/comment-page-1/#comment-7316</link> <dc:creator>Jim</dc:creator> <pubDate>Tue, 25 Sep 2007 23:43:39 +0000</pubDate> <guid
isPermaLink="false">http://mswhs.com/2007/09/25/will-windows-home-server-be-microsofts-next-flop/#comment-7316</guid> <description>It&#039;s clear that Mr. Berlind has never tried the product.  If he had tried it and didn&#039;t like it, then that&#039;s fine.  But to pan the product based on a press release of the update is irresponsible IMHO.</description> <content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s clear that Mr. Berlind has never tried the product.  If he had tried it and didn&#8217;t like it, then that&#8217;s fine.  But to pan the product based on a press release of the update is irresponsible IMHO.</p> ]]></content:encoded> </item> </channel> </rss>
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